CLSTL Talk New Album 'HOPE' | Interview with Lyndsey Parker (LPtv)

Hi, this is Lindsay Parker here for LPTV at Licorice Pizza. We are here with the band Celestial. We are very happy to uh have you here. I know you're excited to be here as well. So, thanks for coming.

Absolutely. Thank you so much.

What are we celebrating here? There's a you're performing. Is it a record release show? I know you put a record out, Hope, in May, and then you had a single another single come out in July.

Yeah. Yeah. It's I mean really just like we got super stoked on the idea of doing this and it was more to like celebrate community and just invite all our friends and play some kick-ass music and have a good time. I didn't know this was possible like for us to be able to play this. So it was like once we got things rolling I was like holy [ __ ] guys like this is going to be a really cool night.

And so just celebrating music and having good people around us and yeah, that's kind of our message at Celestial in a in a nutshell. Anyways, it's just, you know, good vibes and yeah, so

I know that the the letters because there's no vowels in your name. It's pronounced celestial. It they stand for something. It's an acronym, right?

Yep. Yep. Creating living sound through love.

That sounds very uh wholesome and positive. What was the inspiration behind that? Oh, I mean, if you listen to the music, we started writing music um before we had the name obviously, and I think we sort of had like a space theme to it.

You always wanted a name like that. First, you were thinking terrestrial, but I think you just kind of got the word mixed up cuz we were like, I want it to be spacey still. I'm like, I think that's celestial.

Yeah. And and so it was like this whole idea of like a space adventure sort of like drawing from all different kinds of music that we listen to cuz we have very different inspirations. Um, and then I don't know, I think we just came up with the name Celestial, like that popped out. And then for some reason, maybe I wrote it like CLSTL as like just a way to be more unique. And then uh I was like, "Oh, that's kind of a cool acronym if we do this." And then it fit the vibe perfectly. And it actually drove a lot of like the themes. is I'd say when we're writing songs, you know, if it starts with something relatively basic like just instruments or an acoustic song or something, it's like, all right, well, sonically, how can we align this with the overall message of like, you know, celestial, like create living sound through love. And what I like about that, too, is like when you create a soundwave and you put that out into the universe, it, you know, goes forever. It's like it's it exists for eternity. So, you want to go deep with it.

Bounces back home.

Yeah. Or it bounces back home.

Does Celestial Seasonings tea still exist? probably said that that I'm not sure if that's

I mean I feel if it does you should get some kind of endorsement.

Do they spell it like that?

They don't but maybe they should. Well, you talked about how you have different genres and you all come from different backgrounds. Before this interview continues, I haven't asked you to properly introduce your yourselves and where you're from because you're all from different places. So, why don't we go down the line like your names, what instrument you play, but also where you're from because some of you are from None of you are originally from LA and some of you aren't originally from the US.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll start. So, um yeah, John Beach uh lead vocals and uh guitar

and I'm from I say Cleveland, Ohio, but it's not really Cleveland. I'm basically from like the middle of nowhere Ohio.

What part of Ohio?

It's called Garrettsville, Ohio. It's actually I don't think anyone's said that on an interview before in history, but I was wondering if it was Dayton maybe cuz

I'm born from Born in Dayton

where Guided by Voices are from.

Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that was my upbringing and uh Yeah.

I'm Neil. I'm uh another vocalist and bass player for the band. Uh I'm from New York. Kind of similar to John. I like to make it sound like I'm from New York City, but I'm really just from the BBS of New York.

Which BBS?

Uh it's called Katona, New York. I'm learning all about uh US geography.

Yeah, exactly. Bunch of small towns. But yeah, on to you.

I'm Warren Petty. I play piano, keys,

synths. I'm from Boston, Massachusetts.

Are you from My mom is from Waltham.

Ah,

so you know I know Boston is W but Waltham is like a suburb of Boston.

Yeah, I'm not from Boston.

Where you No one's from ever. Y'all are liars. Where are you actually from?

I'm from even farther actually. I'm from

My mom would know where it is. What?

Closer to Rhode Island. Somerset.

Okay. My mom Well, I've heard of Somerset.

Oh, really?

Yeah. Well,

some battleships there.

Okay,

that's about it.

Like Warren has some good stories of growing up. You were like playing gigs at like a very young age for like random like Dunkey or whatever like like Dinky Bars and stuff like that. Yeah,

we all start somewhere.

Yeah, there's a lot more to the story, but he's been gigging longer than anyone here, I'm pretty sure,

which is cool.

Hello. Uh, my name is Franchesco or Fra and I'm from Italy. Florence.

I've heard of Florence. You're from like one of the more major cities among the lineup.

Yeah, I'm from Florence for real.

Now you're honest. And what about What about you?

Oh, and I play guitar. Sorry. Did you forget anything?

No, I'm good.

Hello, I'm Flo. I'm from France. I play drums and I produce.

And what part of France? Uh,

I grew up near Leon, which is close to Switzerland.

Oh, very cool. Very cool. So,

very nice.

I guess the obvious question is you're from all different uh parts of the world and the country and you all eventually came to LA. How did And I feel like you haven't actually maybe been a band technically that long yet. It seems like you guys have been bffs forever. So, how did this all come to be?

Yeah, it's it's a cool story. It's very serendipitous. That's like the theme with Celestial. Like, we wouldn't be here right now if we didn't just get lucky all the time and things just kind of worked out. Um, so I had done a folk project a couple years ago. It's got to be like 5 years ago now. And I didn't expect to really do much with it. I just kind of recorded it because it's kind of funny. Well, not funny. It's kind of crazy. So, I I thought my grandma was going to pass away. She's like in the hospital and uh she gets watched this so sorry grandma I didn't mean to think but like

spoiler alert there's like a happy ending

she made it but she looks at me in the hospital and she's like I've never heard your music and I was like what the hell like I got to record some [ __ ] and like show grandma right like and so uh I went back recorded a folk album and then just you know realized oh I don't suck at this like this is pretty fun I've been writing music forever um and so I do that and I'm kind of looking for more ways to explore music and I was like folks cool, but it's kind of boring. I want to make something different. And I hadn't I didn't really have a plan. Um, and then I went to a random show like by myself uh at El Sid and I met this uh this guy right here

also by myself.

Yeah. Yeah. Neil also went mutual friend and his point cuz we get there at like I got I want to say I got there

like that. I got there I think at like 6:00 or something and they didn't play literally the band we were I had to see to support my friend his band didn't play till I want to say 1:30 in the morning on like a Thursday and so I'm just chilling there like crushing Modello like I'm just like me too. Yeah,

few deep for sure.

And you can't tell sitting here. Neil's like 6'5 and so like this giant dude goes up. He's like, "What's up, man?" or something. I don't know what you said.

We were just standing next to each other. And we just kind of had

standing in the back cuz as a five

there weren't enough people for it to even matter.

As a 5 foot tall person, I'm just saying, you know, I somehow always end up standing behind the six foot five person at a club. So, I appreciate you had you have manners when it comes to that. But that's that's for I

depends how much I like them. Okay. So, you meet at El Sid.

Yeah. Yeah.

And all night crushing Modellis together.

Crushing Modellas together. It's kind of how the relationship has continued. Um, but so we we started talking like bases, pedals, like just different gear and stuff cuz I was kind of getting more in like the production side of things like I wanted to see what I could learn. Um, and then he just asked me, "Oh, actually I show I told you to listen to a a Beach Bunny album."

Yep.

And like he texts me the next day like, "Yo, this album's great." And I never expect someone to actually like if I tell someone, "Yo, listen to this album." I never expect them to actually listen to it and get back to me. Like I want them to so badly and I express that very upfrontly, but he hit me up like the next day. He's like, "Yo, this album's great. You I have a studio if you ever want to come by." Um, and then yeah, we started making music together and he had a band. I'll let you take the story from here.

Yeah. So, I had a band with these two and it was at the time called Teapop, which we stole from a local cafe cuz we met at this cafe a lot and we couldn't think of a band name. So, we were like, what if we just take this name? Um, and we were gigging around and we started right around the same time that John and I met and started making music. So, I asked the guys, I was like, "Hey, can my friend John come sit in? We're making music. It's in a similar enough vibe." And uh you did and it was awesome. You brought people. It was really fun.

Yeah.

And then we brought you to the next show and then the show after that was Celestial.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I like

it evolved over time.

I felt like I was like sabotaging but at the same time selfishly like this is the best [ __ ] project ever. Like Celestial is amazing and

and this was like a a year ago or so.

Two I want to say about you.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We started like it became like a band like cuz everyone's busy, right? Like you have to like and you have to prove yourself. I think us becoming friends has been a major part of how we've been able to make this work cuz holy [ __ ] more. Oh. Um but uh you

know you want to make sure people are committed for the right reasons and you know you have so much passion in the songs you write and the performances and these guys are just like irreplaceable when it comes to that. Um like the passion's there. They actually enjoy it. like I remember talking to him like yo like we want this to be an actual band not just like you know like a like oh we write the songs you just come we'll pay you to come like gig with us kind of thing. Um and so making sure that you guys were all like really down for it and enjoyed it and they just made the show so much better. So it organically became uh what it is today which is like the serendipitous aspect of it. I I had no like right like I'm the luckiest person in the world. Like I'd been living here for 3 years and to find guys like this to make music with was just uh just a dream come true for real.

I'm curious how you all ended up in LA cuz you know one of the things I love about Los Angeles. Some people think oh it's where all these like posers come because they want to you know be in showbiz you know what I mean? Or or they all want to direct or write screenplays or whatever whatever the show biz dream. But I actually think LA is kind of cool cuz people who

don't have those opportunities in I forget where in Ohio you're from or uh or in Florence or wherever they they come or in Somerset, they come to LA or Nashville or New York, places like that

to pursue their dreams and sometimes it actually happens. It comes true. So what made how did you all end up in LA?

You start over there. Peer pressure.

Who was pressuring you? No, basically after so the four of us were all in school in Boston. Uh we went to Berkeley. Louder. Oh, okay. Cool. Uh so we all went to Berkeley and after I was done with school, a lot of my friends, including Franchesco, already moved to LA. I wanted to go back to New York because I really enjoyed living there. But everyone's like, "Yeah, man. Come to LA. There's so many gigs. You're always going to be working here. So cool."

Pizza there. licorice pieces there. Um, and my girlfriend wanted to move here and I was like, you know what? [ __ ] it.

I'm already like halfway across the globe, so 6 hour trip more west is not going to change anything. But I think it's been really good. Like challenging, but I enjoy it.

Yeah, I imagine it is challenging. I've lived here my whole life, so I don't really understand what it' be like to be thrown into this city and not know anyone or not know many people. I think also like the the layout of the city makes it like a bit more challenging maybe to meet people because so spread out like whenever you want to go out somewhere you know first you have to drive then you have to park hopefully don't get a ticket

you could Uber but that's not always

I mean back in the day maybe but now it's like so expensive like it's

it's like a $70 airport

it's like

it's probably cheaper to get a DUI at this point than

Don't say that don't do that Yeah, absolutely.

I'm just joking. I'm just joking.

Yeah, I know.

Dry safe. I don't

I mean, but you're not wrong. Maybe. I mean, it can add up.

Um,

don't do that.

No, no. Yeah, don't do that. But,

but so it makes it like a bit challenging.

Crushing the Modells, get an Uber.

Yeah, just get Uberated. Anyway, go on. Sorry.

No, no. If you go home with an Uber, just expense it on your taxes and you know,

also that pro tip from I guess LA. Yeah, obviously.

But yeah, it's a little challenging to to meet people, especially at first. And I think as anywhere when you start building a little community then you know like John knows Neil, Neil knows someone else that someone else knows someone else and you know slowly but surely you kind of grow your community like that

it's all who you know in this business.

So how did um the you guys who are also in Berkeley why was LA the next step for you guys? Um yeah, mainly music. Uh

because the music that I want to play, um I think here LA it was the right

place to be. And yeah, music uh honestly music. If it wasn't for music, probably I wouldn't have moved here. But, you know, it it grew on me a lot, LA, because I didn't know much about LA and I had a shock when I moved here, but now I really love it. Yeah.

What was the shock?

Um, you know, like

living in a big city. I've never lived in a big city. I thought like already like going from Florence to Boston, uh, for me was like a a big jump. But then like you know Boston to LA was like a huge jump and the layout of the city um I wasn't ready. I didn't expect was like this big and so like spread out and you know Yeah. Then finding my community and everything. Um but now it's it's been good. Yeah.

Good.

How about you?

Yeah. Pretty much the same reasons. Um

and did you all move do you all live in the same part of LA? Cuz if like one of you is in Venice and one of you's in Pasadena, you know, I don't know if it's going to work out.

As of yesterday, we live in the same building.

Oh, yay. Congrats.

Yeah.

But yeah, you all live near each other.

Fro lives far away, you know. But um

I just needed to take things to the next step because I've invested a lot into music and there's a really small cap in Boston and East Coast in general. I feel like even New York is pretty dead these days and I got less and less jazzy as I

got older. So, New York became less of an appeal.

Oh, wait. Are is your background in jazz?

I guess. Yeah, sure. Sort of. Yeah. Um,

not not in jazz.

It's not not in jazz. Sure. Yeah.

I don't know.

Jazz adjacent.

Jazz adjacent. Yeah, I like that.

It just made sense. Most of my friends came out here. There were the most opportunities. There was the most head start. Like I had gigs before I had even arrived, which I couldn't do with any other city. It just Yeah, it was the right call. And I moved out here last I guess a year or two ago. So these everyone else was here for Yeah. for a while. So it made sense.

Yeah.

Yeah. It was like the first gig. I know. It's crazy.

The LA dream. We hit LA and everything started to happen.

And then Yeah. How did you guys

That was our dream.

No, we needed a one. We needed a one.

Um, I moved here about 3 years ago straight out of college as well. I mean, same reason as these guys. Uh, a lot of people from Berkeley came out here. A lot of people from my hometown, too, actually. And, uh, I'm like a contemporary musician. I study jazz, too. But like Warren, I feel like New York is a little jazz ccentric for my taste. So yeah, moved out here. Love producing. Met this guy pretty much right away. So glad I did.

Yeah, that's good. See that? Yeah, I think I have a more unique No offense, but like they're actually pro musicians. Like I I literally came out here for work. Like I was an engineer. I graduated college and uh I studied like biomedical engineering and I was just like all right. Because I in college I remember thinking like I don't want to be a loser. Like I was like I was not smart really in high school and I got to my freshman year of college and I was like what can I do to survive? Like I need to find a good job. Like this is crazy. And then so I started engineering. Didn't do much in music in college. Moved out here and immediately just got straight into music. It was like the best.

I mean it sounds like maybe your grandmother would approve of that decision but the I have to ask if you know you had this that a degree like that and then you decide to focus on music instead. Do you have parents or anyone in your family? It's like, no, you know, don't be an engineer.

They're super supportive. It's it's a good I I've made the right choices, I think. And it's it's it's good. It's balanced. So,

it seems like it's working out for you. So, you guys are obviously great on camera because besides being interview subjects, you are often interviewers. Sometimes the tables are turned and uh you talk about your own journey, the journey that we're talking about here on your own podcast, but you also, you know, chat with your friends and other musicians. It's called the Celestial Show.

The Celestial Show

sponsored by Celestial Seasonings T.

Yeah. One day,

someday. Uh yeah,

if that still exists. Are you unaware of Celestial Seasons? I just dropped some like weird

old school reference.

When you said it, I was like, what is that? But it it makes perfect sense now.

Grim coffee. I don't know.

I know what you're talking about. stunning old. Okay. So, I think it still exists and they probably have like throat coat tea which is great.

That's what I need. You're going to hear me tonight fall apart this up.

But tell me about your show.

Yeah. So, it's basically us hanging out talking. I mean like I it's funny to me cuz it's we have episodes where we interview other musicians and people we're getting to know and that's like when you think someone asked you like, "Oh, you have a podcast. What's it about?" It's like, "Oh, we just interview other musicians and you know, whatever like uh make friends kind of thing." Um, but really half the time it's us just hanging out talking about whatever we're talking about and you know shooting like telling funny stories or uh talking about like our experience with like the mixing the record or um ideas for new things, shows we're going to play it. It really I got inspired to do it because like comedians like have really cornered that well not cornered the market but like every comedian has a podcast and I like listening to them.

They're much funnier than us honestly. But like if you like when I was a kid, if I could have found the podcast of like the front bottoms or something like the bands that I loved um and listened to that on their journey and gotten the information directly from them and some people would say, "Oh, we have to have like a mystique about you." We're not like I'm not like that like celestial again positivity. So it's just a good time, you know, follow along in our journey. every now and then. It's every couple weeks we have like a really good guest on who's like someone else who's not in our circle. Um reoccurring guests and

who have been some of your guests and how have you, you know, if they're not in your circle, how have you brought them on?

Well, um Instagram DMs work. Uh but Lee Lewis was the last one we just did. He's um I mean Flo, you work with them. What kind of press Flo the mic if you don't mind, Warren? Cuz Lee's amazing. He's one of the best singers I've ever heard and he he was great story like amazing.

Bonjour. What was the question? Sorry.

Uh Lee, like how would you describe Lee's music? I guess

I would say soul.

Soul.

Yeah, it's very soul music. He used to do like a little bit more of like pop soul music, but I think with the next record coming out, he's going more kind of like the like artist reading kind of route, you know, like really soul.

Yeah.

And it's it's great. So like hearing that like so Flo had met Lee and then just asked him like oh do you want to come on this podcast you have a cool story he you know has a story of being with a label being dropped by a label working at Spotify like just get like if you're a kid or an adult and you want to understand what it's like to be in the music scene in LA or wherever if it's other bands like I just think it's a really cool opportunity to have a podcast where you can one build a community because everyone you know wants to get out there and you know you can uh you speak your opinion and and all that. Um, but you know, two, like really document your journey. Like I said, I think even before this, it's like you go back listen to the if you listen to the Celestial Show, don't listen to the first episode as the first impression cuz I I listen back to that and it's really cool for me because I'm like, "Oh, wow. Look how far we've come." You know, like so I can see that journey. It's only been a year of the podcast. So I think it's just fun to document as well.

Who would be your dream guest?

I mean, it's funny because like

as I Okay, you say it. You say it.

The CEO of Spotify

like to chew him out.

Not chew him out, but just like ask him like why? Like what what is going on in his mind? you know, like I'm I'm not even like judging I'm obviously judging him, but I'm not judging him as an interviewer, but just I think a lot of people and a lot of especially artists, even big artists, want to understand like why like what is going on in your mind, you know? So, that's it. That was my dream interview.

I would watch the [ __ ] out of that episode. Just saying. I don't know if it's going to happen, but

I hope so. I hope so.

If he's if he's down, I I'll fly to Sweden.

Okay. Yeah, he's in Sweden. What made I mean I'd love to ask you more about that like why what what made you say that as opposed to like you know some big rock star or whatever. I think like a lot of that has been done already, you know, and and I think for me it's like I don't think I would be great at interviewing musicians like or like my hero musicians cuz I would be too much of a fan. Yeah.

You know, I would like fanboy and and I don't have the the professional skill to like detach like be like you'll be like a journalist and be in my in my character, you know? It's it's not my job.

My character, guys.

No, no, but this is me.

But you know what I mean? You know, I appreciate that you think I'm a good actor or

No, not not actor, but it's like your job, right? Like you enter as a professional. I don't have that. Yeah. Yeah.

So, I wouldn't be able to interview like let's say I don't know like Quest Love, I would be like, "Oh, man." that first, you know,

but if if it's someone that I'm actually like have like not a some conflict, but let's say some very intense curiosity about like what's going on, you know, like not in an aggressive way, but

I mean that would be a really interesting episode. Um, which actually I wasn't going to ask you about this, but I got to ask a follow-up question being the professional that I am. Um, you're a young band. You're starting out. You have aspirations and you're positive. But in the Spotify era, it is very hard.

You to make money to sell records to get a break there. You know, even if you get a lot of streams, it doesn't really amount to much. Like, how are you navigating? It's a weird time to be and it has been for a while. The kind of, you know, careers bands had even like 10 years ago. It's changed. The landscape's changed so much.

Yeah. I think you just empower yourself like however that is like um you know at the smallest level it's like you know merch playing shows and build that community and like build real fans like if you know I always say this this is more to the podcast thing too but I think it's a major component to it. Um, when you're sharing your music with someone, you're sharing a very deep part of yourself. Like, it's very intimate.

Uh, but you're only getting about 3 minutes of someone's attention, you know, and I think the podcast helps cuz they can learn what's behind the music and so you can form more of a community with your fans around that. And then for the money stuff, we'll figure it out. Like, you know, I think there's options for very like lowcost uh access to

additional content. Like so like if we had a Patreon where like we upload another podcast once a week or like we I really like the idea of putting demos out there. No critiquing. Don't give me advice on how to make my music. But like I I I do like the idea of you know, oh this song comes out in two weeks. Well, our tour starts um now. If you're subscribed to our Patreon, you can hear these songs before the show. Things like that, you know, but you just have to empower yourself. There's a lot of ways to make money and we haven't figured it out yet obviously, but um I do think that the world is changing, but it's giving the artists if you can step up and be creative, I think there is a lot of opportunity right now to um build a career out of it where you can be financially uh comfortable.

Anyone else want to speak to that? I saw that you Yeah, you guys were grabbing the mic. So,

I mean just No. Okay.

Oh, no. Go for it. Stop. I mean, just be uh be genuine with your content. Like uh John said, don't worry so much about the numbers as much as putting out what you like. I mean, you have to be consistent with it. Um and I think yeah, the podcast is a great thing that we're doing to kind of have more of like a relationship with our fans. Even if it's like a smaller group of people, it's about building those people who will go on a journey with you.

Awesome. So, I'll wrap up by asking about the album Hope. Obviously, the the title sort of ties in the all the positivity you're talking about. You've talked about all the different influences you all bring to the table. There's a lot of synthesizer going on, which I'm I hear a lot of cockto twins and certain eras of the cure, but maybe that's okay. I'm right. Okay, cool. Uh, but yeah, talk about, you know, the inspiration behind, you know, the sound

the drug.

All right, fine. Well, it wasn't intentional really for us to have the sound that we we did because I I grew up listening to a lot of punk rock. Um I even like like I I as

a kid like loved Tom Dong like that from Link too. He was like I the way I learned guitar was like watching him play and just like listening to Dumpweed and like playing that like

Were you an Angel and Airways fan?

That's where Yeah. Angels and Airways became like this more mature like I found it way later. um like where I actually dove into it and I liked the like space adventure kind of vibe to it. I didn't want to copy that in any way, but the sound came sort of natural between Neil and I because I'd show up have like a cool riff or whatever and then he would just get on like Serum or like some sort of synth uh and we would just tweak it. Everything was like DIY.

Like I think we we didn't use any presets at all, which by the way, if you want to use presets, use presets. Like they're

Yeah, they're great. But like for some reason, we just like dove deep into making everything difficult. Um, but it worked out cool. And um, so as we began that journey, I started finding a lot more music that I was connecting to where previously I may not have connected to the same way. Even like really heavy stuff like I got really into Knock Loose for like a brief period. Um, Beach Bunny was great. Um, The Cure came way late. Like basically we had the album done and someone told me like, "Oh, you guys kind of sound like The Cure." And I was like, "Hm, I'll check them Like obviously I I'd listened to The Cure, but like I never like emotionally got attached to The Cure.

Fair enough.

Instantly I was like

my favorite band of all time, so I was about to fight you, but it's okay. You're forgiven.

You have You're just

better late than never.

Yeah, I know. I know. I

All good.

Well, it's so funny. Yeah, I I

I'm just kidding around. However someone discovers something or when they do it, you know, I'm not snobby about that.

No, no, no, no. I didn't get that impression. But so if you take like the cure kind of vibe with like punk plus Neil, what he brings to the table, um like most like the melodic part of punk to me is like like if you listen to like Descendants, Screeching Weasel, um even like No Effects, honestly, Social Distortion, they all have like really beautiful moments melodically where things like it's punk rock, but there's like a really nice feeling that you could take that and play it on a piano and it's like, "Oh, that's so beautiful the way everything's kind of meshing." Um, and then go ahead, you talk about your influences because that that's a major part of how the Celestial Sound came to be.

Yeah. Well, I mean, John came from more of like a kind of punk rock, emo rock background. Um, and I grew up listening to a lot of rock as well. I was more of like a alternative rock fan. Uh, the Strokes, Red Hot Chili Peppers, a lot of like East Coast bands, some from the UK like the Cooks. I like that vibe. So, I did have the the rock background as well. Um, but as I got older and I got more into different kinds of music, I started getting into production. I did a lot with like R&B and then eventually uh more like electronic uh aspects to my music. And that's where it kind of got cool with our collaboration cuz he came in with these very like rock and roll chord progressions, very almost metal, some of a couple of them. Yeah. And uh I was like, well, what if we try putting a very smooth synth over this very crunchy guitar?

Yeah.

And that's how we end up with this kind of cool dichotomy of sounds.

Any anything else you guys want to add about the dichotomy? Um I think yeah like um the sound came definitely from um you know like the blend of this to mine and then I think us we jumped in um and bring a little bit of our taste. Uh my background is

more like um I would say like like I studied some jazz but more like funk R&B and I used to play rock when I was a kid. And so I like drawing the band uh because I start playing some type of music that uh I haven't played in forever and so like more you know like punk rock and more roll and everything. So yeah, I like how the blend of the band is. Yeah, Frog gave us like a different energy in a live performance that we didn't have as much of even when we recorded Hope. Um, when we would jam with Frog, it's just like the ideas that came out of him naturally as he's just riffing with us like has majorly influenced the direction we're going in the future. Um, so that's something I wanted to add. Same with Warren on synth.

Yeah.

Well, I'm excited about what the future holds. By the way, uh, Robert Smith did sing on a Blink 182 song once, so it's all connected. What song is that? Do you know?

I will double check that in a minute. I'm more of a Cure fan than a Blink182 fan, but it's actually a really good song. So,

I believe it. Yeah.

Uh, I will we will take that conversation offline.

Awesome. Awesome.

Uh, but in the meantime, you in the future. So, yeah. What does the future hold for this band?

Yeah, I think it's just enjoying each step at this point. Like, this is a pretty amazing thing. You guys allowing us to do this or inviting us to do this and, you know, we're going to have a bunch of friends here and we're going to rock out. Like, it's going to be amazing. And I I really think for us it's just get better all the time, continue to get more creative. I want our live shows at some point to grow to a point where it's like really an experience. Like I think right now we're really good musically and we're really good at like creating like a fun atmosphere and the music takes you places obviously, but I want to get to a point where we're getting very creative with live performance and it becomes more of like I'm not going to say theater, but you know what can we do with this? And that's kind of the main focus for me and just enjoying edge stuff. Each show is so fun. Um, you know, it's a long journey in this to, you know, to get to where you want to be, but genuinely, my goal is just to enjoy each each moment, you know. So,

sounds like a good plan. I'm going to enjoy your show.

Hell yeah. In

just a moment. So, thank you for coming to Licorice Pizza. I'll let you guys.

Thank you so much. A thank you so much. Thanks for ciao.