Deb Never | Interview with Lyndsey Parker (LPTV)

Hi, I'm Lindsey Parker here at Licorice Pizza Records for LP TV. I'm here with Deb Never and there is a lot to celebrate this special day. First of all, congratulations your full length debut album Arcade just came out.

Thank you. And you played some songs here today and it was a special kind of rare performance for you cuz I was not aware. You told the audience, your fans out there that you normally don't kind of perform in this. But first things first, the guitar next to you. Yep. Was owned by an icon. Yep. Prince. Prince. The Prince.

The Prince. So how did you come to play this? Cuz you weren't planning to play this until you got here today, right?

No, I was actually I was going to play acoustic and then I was like, "Oh, I'll bring my electric." And then when I showed up, a team member at Licorice Pizza was like, "Oh, actually we have more electrics in the back. Let me show you this." And he just pulled this out so casually and this is He's like, "Oh, this is Prince's guitar." And I'm like, "What?" He's like, "You want to play it?" And I'm like, "What?" Yeah.

What era? Do you know the story behind it?

Um he he said I don't I don't I think he told me that

Okay. what

So I wonder if it was like symbol era or like I can't remember.

There's so many eras of I don't know if he told I don't know if he said what era.

Yeah, I don't know. All I know is that nobody's played this except for Prince, Billy Corgan and now me, which is crazy.

That is a holy trio right there. So did you feel any of like Prince's purple spirit channeling through you?

Yeah, I was over there, you know, like fiddling around. I felt a little the star power from it. But um Yeah, honestly [clears throat] I was holding it. I was like, "I'm not I felt not worthy of playing it." But but it was

You are. It was

[laughter]

Thank you. It was a great experience.

Well, it's it's interesting like you said that you don't normally perform in this kind of stripped down environment and I know in some of your past interviews you've talked about not always feeling confident performing. You used to have stage fright. I didn't see I don't know if it was the Prince guitar that was doing this.

the Prince guitar.

Okay. Cuz I didn't see any nerves or or any lack of confidence at all.

Oh, thank you. Um yeah, normally I don't do a lot of stripped-back shows with just a guitar. I think it just comes from like the last time I said this in my New York show. Um the last time I ever did that where it was just like me and a guitar was probably or in this style where it's really intimate like that was when I first started playing when I first started writing music and I played for the first time at this coffee shop and I think it was in Spokane.

And I was like maybe 19. And I started playing and I forgot the chords so I just mid-song I got stage fright and just stopped and I walked off and then since then I never played like that again until today. Until yeah, until actually yeah. Or until recently until recently, yeah.

Did you come back when you ran off or was the show just over?

I just I just literally walked off and then walked home. I [laughter] mean that's never happened again.

in its own unintended way though. You were just like, "Peace." Yeah, I just stopped and went, "All right." And then and then dipped out. Are you still to Some people I've talked to other people who are shy off stage but on stage they kind of like transform into something they transform into an alter ego maybe kind of the way Prince does. Like is that Have you Is that what you do?

Because like I said, I've not seen a lack of com- even in this interview you seem very relaxed. Have you just kind of gotten used to being in the spotlight more? I think so. I think I just got more comfortable with being myself. So like I don't necessarily feel like I go on stage and I turn into a different person but it's more just like I'm so comfortable with who I am that if I go on stage I'm still going to be me and just it whether that's going to be me shy or me being loud or whatever. Um yeah, I feel pretty like the same on and off stage. Well, I feel that's why you connect with fans. I think that's why it's actually cool that you did something so intimate here cuz there was a huge turnout today and I overheard I mean I was listening all the fans, you you know, you were so sweet to you were taking a lot of time with each one of them and one of them said he like quit his job yeah

[laughter]

You're like sorry or I guess it was a good thing for him, right? You like changed his life.

Shout out Kyle. Yeah, I mean that's like a huge that's like the biggest I think

like something that gets me is that being able to inspire somebody. I'm not inspired I'm not telling people to quit their jobs by the way if you don't if it's a good job but the fact that it somebody can get inspired by seeing somebody doing what they love and then be like I want to do that too whether it's in music or whether it's making desserts whether whatever it is whatever their passion is I think that's a huge having that type of impact for me means a lot because that meant so much to me when I was looking up to other artists. Who were the artists that inspired you to pursue this or maybe quit your job or whatever? Um there's so many but this is such a based answer and this is I'm from Seattle but one of my biggest one of my biggest insecurities is playing guitar cuz I don't think I'm a good guitar player since I was a kid but because when I'd watch like a lot of Nirvana um show uh videos online I noticed that Kurt Cobain was not a good guitar player but he just had so much conviction behind it and it's like the energy behind it and I think that's what inspired me to be like I'm not the best guitar player I'm not going to be out here doing solos but I know what I like and I know that I love playing so I'm going to play regardless and I think that's one of the biggest inspirations to me where I'm like it's less of just musically but the the goal to be able to just put yourself out there even if you're good or bad. I'm not a guitarist at all but one thing just as a regular person that I noticed about Kurt was correct me if I'm wrong, he kind of played melody lines more like his solos like his so obviously like a smells like teen spirit he's actually like playing the verse as a melody instead of just like shredding in some solo or whatever, which I guess sounds a little simplistic but like in a good way.

Yeah. I think that's that's what's so charming about it is that it's not doing you don't have to do too much you could just play the most simple thing and it's still so impactful and I think I love that approach with a lot of things. Well, I'm surprised that you say that you know, you're you don't think you're a great guitar player or whatever cuz didn't you get your start in music actually playing behind the scenes as a session player and like they don't

[laughter]

hire slouches who don't know what they're doing to do session work.

It's I only say that because I'm I'm self-taught so I don't know chords I technically don't know keys I don't know notes I don't know [ __ ] I'm just playing by ear so then when someone's like oh can you play the C sharp whatever and I'm like I don't know what that is but

[laughter]

play it for me and I'll figure it out.

So like it's more of like the imposter like I just feel inadequate but

[clears throat]

that's where it comes it stems from.

this and only two other people played it so I think you're doing fine.

[laughter]

Yeah, this gave me the courage I played the Prince guitar.

But how did you get into the session work cuz that's not like necessarily I know you moved to LA to do that and that's not necessarily the easiest thing to break into. No, it was it was kind of it wasn't like a full-time it was just kind of sparsely through friends being like oh yo this artist that I'm working with like you should come by to the studio and like play some guitar lines and I was like okay I'm down and I don't know anything about you know, studio work I came from Spokane playing in bars, you know what I mean? So I was like sure like I'll pull up and that's how it kind of started but yeah it was a very brief stunt.

Yeah. So you taught you mentioned you were self-taught. Now the legend one of the many legends that surrounds you, and one thing I kind of like about you is there is a air of mystique about you. There's not a ton of like oversaturated information out there about you in an age when a lot of celebrities or whatever are like constantly posting things, but one of the legends around you is you taught yourself to play guitar on a guitar you stole from a church or something like that.

It had a missing high E string. Okay. And so I took it from a [clears throat] church that I initially wanted to play drums, but then I saw the guitar. It was a kind of janky. There were multiple guitars and I took the one that was broken cuz I was like no one's going to miss this. And then I took it home with me and then yeah, taught myself how to play. With the missing string? Did that like affect maybe your a unique style of playing because if you learn to play with five strings, I guess?

Maybe cuz I do have a habit of playing a lot on like the top four and I think it maybe comes from I never I thought about that until you said that. Wow, great question.

know anything about guitar. I just feel like I mean cuz your style is unique and like you say you don't you didn't learn from any chord books or any lessons or anything like that. Where was this church? Wasn't it like overseas somewhere? Yeah, it was in Korea. I lived in Korea for 1 year when I was 11 years old. Yeah, so then that's where I And I think I read that you I mean maybe that's why you stole this guitar and turned to music. Weren't you like it wasn't that kind of like a weird time in your life?

Yeah, I mean I didn't know how to speak the language. I am Korean, but I grew up in mostly in Seattle and Spokane, so I didn't know the language. I got thrown into a Korean school in like one of the in not even a main city. Um so it was kind of my way to like feel some type of home or like comfort. I kind of used the guitar to to be able to express uh I guess a lot of the feelings that I had cuz I couldn't speak and I didn't know what was going on. And you were you were there cuz your dad was like a missionary or a pastor or something. I know there's a legend around you as I read in an article that your mom was a nurse and your dad was a pastor and you said you are a child of literally God and science. Whoa. So what article was that?

That's fire. I I don't I have to find it but it was an article about the fact that those two backgrounds they're like she is a child of God and science. I'm like that's an epic thing to say. Yeah, that's a very like

[laughter]

it's like a very heavy I've never heard that but that's pretty cool thing to say. Yeah, definitely. My dad was a missionary and he was in Korea at the time so my mom sent me over there and yeah, my mom was a nurse. So you traveled around the world a lot as a child. Yeah, kind of. I've moved every year starting from that Korea trip. Uh was that a I mean I guess you got to see a lot of cool stuff that a lot of kids wouldn't get to see but also you might have felt a little Yeah. displaced or whatever the way army brats do. Whatever like what was that like for you? It was a blessing and a curse. I think in the moment it sucked but it in hindsight I'm like oh I learned so many different cultures, so many like the way you perceive the world is different when you see so much. So in hindsight I'm like I'm glad that happened. In the moment it definitely sucked, you know, when you're a kid and every year you have to start over again.

Um but I think that's what also helped me be able to navigate through different worlds and be not as shy. I mean I still am very I think naturally a a shy person but I've learned to adapt and I think that's a huge it helped a lot. Even musically it influenced a lot. Probably helps with touring now to know what it's like to Yeah, touring yeah. easy. Have you toured a lot overseas as Deb Never? I actually haven't. I have not. No, I've not. I've

[laughter]

I've only played London or not London but you the UK. You lived there for a while, right? No, but I I went back and forth a lot. I thought I thought I read like maybe during the pandemic you were kind of stuck there or something or like not stuck but you It was like for 5 months I was there.

That's a long time.

Yeah, I guess that's a long time. What was that like? Um, I loved it.

so Oh, really? I love I mean I love it feels like a second home to me. I think going out there even the musically what everyone's on over there I think they're so ahead with everything. Mhm. Um, I just I don't know I for some reason I connected to it so instantly. You have a big fan base there or did the press like cover you a lot?

so. Um, I'm not sure. Okay, people hello.

Uh, yeah, shout out UK. Hello my second home. So So you Okay, so you've traveled all over the world. You taught yourself on this five-string stolen church guitar and then you ended up in LA. You lived in LA for a while. I don't know if you still do.

Um, and that's where you start doing your session stuff. So what what brought you here to pursue that? It was kind of an accident. I didn't purposely come to LA to pursue music. I was actually quitting music cuz I was in these bands in Spokane and it was just like you know, we play house parties or like bars, random cafes. And and I was only just the guitarist like I never really sang. I'd only do like background vocals. Um, yeah, and then the main singer ended up moving away and I was like, well, that's the end of that. Like I didn't really see a career in music cuz I didn't understand that that could be a thing. So I quit to go to school and go

back to Seattle and go to school.

[gasps]

And then before [clears throat] that happened, I sold everything that I had and then went on a solo Euro trip. And LA was my last stop before I went back. And I met a couple friends and that's when it started. They're like, oh, you should play like come to studio with me. And I was like, damn, I didn't know you could get paid for this.

[laughter]

And I was like yeah, and I actually enjoyed my time here. So it was a very last minute like on the wind decision where I went back home and I was like I'm just going to pack up my things and [ __ ] school, go to go to LA. And How did your family feel about that?

Um I think yeah, they were definitely

school part of it.

Yeah. I think my mom was very like she was kind of like whatever like okay, yeah. And you're going to do what you're going to do. I was wondering cuz you know, sometimes you know, parents especially if they're children of God and science that they might not especially science part they might be like you got to go to school.

Yeah, my can't do music for a living.

My parents for some reason have been very like lenient. Oh cool. Yeah. I think in the beginning they didn't understand same as me, you know, they didn't understand like what what are you doing with music? Like how are you going to how are you going to survive? And I was just like I'm going to figure it out.

Well, how did you figure it out cuz eventually you became a solo artist and a singer and you know, no longer just in the background and it feels like it was all sort of maybe not accidental but like

fateful.

Yeah. But yeah, when did it start to feel like oh, [ __ ] this is my career. This is this is happening.

Um I personally used to love writing music with other artists in mind hoping that like oh, I'll write these songs and like give it to them or or just doing guitar session work. But I'd write a lot of songs um I remember I lived above this Pan American nightclub when I first moved to LA.

And it was always so [ __ ] loud. Sorry, I'm not I don't know if I'm allowed to. It's always so loud and the only quiet place and that had room and the acoustics were good was in my closet. It was a I had like a pretty sizable closet. So I'd always go in there and record stuff on GarageBand. And then [snorts] I uploaded them on SoundCloud. And my girlfriend at that time her one of her friends was a music manager and also mutual friend. He was like dude, these are so good. Like let me help you. And I had I didn't have it in my mind to like put out music as an artist at first.

And then, yeah, he I worked with him and he kind of yeah, I uploaded a song for the first time on Spotify and then it just kind of snowballed from there. So, once you were eventually thrust into the spotlight and this was a real career for you since you've talked about whether it's imposter syndrome or just shyness or stage fright, like how did you deal with that? How to deal with that?

Well, cuz you know, if you always expected you were going to be in the background and all of a sudden like people want to come to your shows and hear your music and hear you sing, how did you Like like I said, I saw you out there and it seems like you're handling it just [laughter] fine now, but there must have been a bit of a learning curve.

Yeah, for sure. I feel like it's one of those things where you just have to jump into it. Like, you know, when you learn how to swim and your parents just pushes you and you're it's you sink or swim survive. That's kind of how it felt when I got pushed into it and then I was like, all right, like I don't know, just had to I had to survive. But, I think that's why this album I think I was I I was on this like snowball of constantly of constantly having to release and then like not having really any time to think about what I wanted to make. And so, for the album I kind of disappeared for like a couple years cuz I needed that time to catch up with myself.

Um because it was non-stop. It was like, you know, the first thing came out and then I just had to go on tour and then keep making songs. And so, yeah. The way that I dealt with it was kind of like disappearing after after a couple years and just like So, how long did it take you to write and record Arcade? Two years around two years, yeah. Yeah. Is that unusual for you? Did you normally do things real fast with the EPs before?

Yeah. Yeah, definitely. But, I needed that time. It was it was my time to like kind of get in tune with myself again. So, what did you do? Obviously, there's it's different when you're doing an an album and it's your debut album as opposed to EPs, but what did you do differently in terms of recording techniques or writing or playing or literally anything? How did you approach this differently?

I That's a great I actually was just talking about this. Um I approached it with way more of a intentionally less production I mean, obviously, there is a lot of production behind it, but I wanted to like in the past, I always hid my voice behind a lot of production. And with this one, I kind of wanted to go back to basics, like band playing making the songs on a guitar first, you know, how I like going back to my roots and how I started and then devel- developing it from there. Um Yeah, and so the a lot of the album is very intimate and very band heavy, band forward, and my vocals in the front.

Which was really vulnerable and exposing for me, but I wanted I wanted that. I wanted it to feel like you're in the room with me when you listen to these songs. What are some of the particularly vulnerable songs on the album? Cuz out there, you were talking about there's breakup songs, there's loved-up songs. I loved it when who's Okay, you asked the audience, "Who's in love?" And then later, you're like, "Who's going through a heartbreak?" Which one got like more yells? The heartbreak one. Yeah. Yeah. Yelled for the latter one. Yeah. Enough [laughter] about me. Back to you. Yeah, I said, "Who's in love?" And it was like one person in the front like, "Yeah!" I was like You're like, "Who's heartbroken?" It's like, "Yeah!" Um yeah.

Both relatable content though, depending on where you're at in life. Yeah, so in terms of the vulnerability of what you shared on this album, what tell me about that? [snorts] I think there's a few "Dana" is one of them, um because it's actually not to do with heartbreak or any type of relationship. It was just more a story It's a specific moment in my life. Um I don't know if I want to say, but it is it is like I think you could probably pick up from lyrics what I'm talking about. I think that was the most exposing for me because I don't think I've ever talked about my past with like whether it was like drugs or or life experience.

And that was the first song where I didn't talk about love or relationship or it was just a very specific moment of something that happened in my life. Mhm. And you don't want to talk about it. It's okay if you don't.

[laughter]

I'm a little shy.

It's all right. Um

But it's I assume it's like kind of open to interpretation so your fans could take Yeah. what they want from it.

Yeah. Maybe similar experiences they've been through, which is cool that they can relate to that. Any other um They don't They could be about anything. Love, no love. Um how to forget is one

cuz I think that one where it came from

when I wrote it was such a genuine pain. Not that none of you know, all of them comes from something, but how to forget was so in the moment. I wrote in 30 minutes. Didn't overthink it. It was so like it just just came out of me. So then when I listen back to it, I'm like, "Damn, this is one of my favorite songs, but this feels so I didn't so honest because I didn't go back and edit and try to like be like, "Oh, maybe I'm saying too much of this or whatever." I was just like, "This is what it was in 30 minutes." You just heard like a subconscious Is that unusual for you?

In terms of how you write? Um

That's not the norm. Yeah, I mean I I tend to overthink, so I'll I will lay down a bunch of things subconsciously, but I always go back and edit because there's sometimes I'm like, "Oh, I don't know if I want to say this. I don't know, you know." Did you feel that way with the Dane song? That I'm not sure I want to actually put this out there since you mentioned that was a particularly sensitive

Yeah, I almost took that off the album, too. There's

[laughter]

What made you decide Is that the one you were talking about outside that it when we you were performing there was something you said almost didn't make the album?

that one was um I need more. I just I just thought it was boring at first.

boring. But

[laughter]

that one was just boring.

you when you're having that moment of like I don't know if I want to whether it's that song, whether it's Dane, where you decide actually yeah, let's put it out there. It just depends. I think it's yeah, it depends if I like I need more is that one I just felt like it was just I just felt it was boring. But that was

[laughter]

Is that why you tested it out here? It was first time you played it was this time. I mean, I love the song.

People didn't seem bored.

Yeah, I love the song. I think it's just cuz it was slow so I was like, oh my god, are people going to fall asleep while I play this? I think about the live aspect of it.

Oh, okay. Um with Dane it was purely just like oof like you could hear everything that I'm saying about a certain thing that I'm like, I don't know if What has been I know the album just came out but you know, I don't know how much you've been like checking out the feedback or when fans were talking to you out here at the store in the other room. What has been the feedback to that song or in general what's been the feedback? Are there other songs that fans are specifically saying this one touches me? Yeah, I got a lot of it I got a lot of feedback on heaven's sake.

Which was um like a song about it's a yearning song about somebody.

[laughter]

A heartbreak song? Less of heartbreak. I think it was just like somebody that I really missed and it was like yeah, the chorus is literally oh actually the chorus has to do with um maybe the god thing. God and science.

God and science. Yeah, it's like heaven's so far away. I don't believe in a god but tonight I think I'll pray. Are you religious? I mean, that your father was a pastor is were you raised religiously? Um no, for some reason not really. Yeah, I'm not I'm not religious. I think I'd say I'm more like spiritual.

But You weren't raised like religious because of No. You were raised by both God and science. Yeah. Yeah. I had to I had to go to church, but I remember when I was 13 I made a whole presentation to to for a reason. I was like, I don't want to go to school or I don't want to go to a church anymore and here's why. Like a PowerPoint? Basically. Like a diagram? It was like a yeah, it was like my like I got [snorts] really into like Greek mythology into like I would just like be online just researching a bunch of other like stories and I'm like you know, I came to my own conclusion.

Everyone has their own beliefs, but my own conclusion of why I didn't believe in the same thing as my parents. And I feel like I had to present that to them to for them to have a valid valid argument to be like, this is why.

or that's the logic. So I need No, I need you to set the scene of like did you Were you like, "Sit down."

[laughter]

on the Like how did you present this to them and how was it received? This is hilarious. I love this story. I told my mom I was like One day I was like, "I don't I don't want to go to church anymore. I don't believe in the same thing that you believe." Like And then it was just like a conversation like, "Why?" And I was like, "You know, there's from what I've searched, it's like there's all these different um stories or like mythology or whatever that all feel similar. So I don't believe in one thing. I feel like there is maybe something, but I don't believe in the one specific thing that you do.

And it was valid enough that they were like, "Okay." They were like, "Cool. That's fine."

Yeah. They were like, I have to give them credit. There's a lot of parents who'd be like, "No. Like you're too young to know what you're talking about This is how it is."

Yeah. And they would Do you still have the report, the PowerPoint, or whatever it [laughter] is? No, I don't think so.

it anymore? Oh, I wish you still did. That would be so cool. You could like bring it on stage.

I know, right?

[laughter]

But they were They like were like, "Okay." They paid They respected what you were saying."

Yeah. That's very cool. I think I wish more parents would do that.

I know. They've been very I think my parents have been It was mostly my mom a lot of my life, but she she was very understanding of of of me and like what I wanted to do or what I believed in.

[snorts]

Um yeah, she's been very like supportive. So, I'm very very lucky for that, yeah. I was into Greek mythology when I was a kid. Like what were your Greek myths that you were like you ever like use that in your lyrics at all? Not really, surprisingly. Um I don't know. Just the story of like Zeus and then like

Clash of the Titans movie. Yeah, Clash of the Titans. There's also like the story of like This has nothing to do with the religion part of it, but I love the story of um I think it's called Pluto or Plato's Symposium or something where it's like humans were at first made with four arms and four legs and two heads, but because they were they kept trying to climb Mount Olympus to get to Zeus because they were way more powerful.

And because they got greedy with trying to climb, Zeus split them in half so that instead of focusing their energy into climbing to get to Zeus, they would spend the rest of their lives trying to find the other half. And I found that so romantic and like so I think that's referenced in Hedwig and the Angry Inch musical. What's What is that?

Oh, this is a musical Hedwig and the Angry Inch. It's like my favorite musical. It's like a glam rock musical, but there's a whole thing about like how we all started as two people and there's like an animation in the movie of them doing this.

Oh, sick. Yeah.

sure that's what it referenced. That's really cool.

Yeah, and that comes from Greek mythology. It's like a story. Um but yeah, it's a lot of It's a lot of things that ended up with me leaving I mean like coming with my own beliefs. I also got a lot I got in trouble a lot in church cuz I'd always ask questions that I feel like they couldn't answer. And stole guitars, too. And stole the guitars.

What kind of questions did you ask? Um I don't know. It'd be like youth group stuff and they would they would teach like, you know, the stories and I'd be like, but how would It was like to me it was so logical. I'm like, but how would why does this make sense? And they're like, it just does. Yeah. And I'm like, that no, that's not good enough for me. Like That's the attitude that I was saying that some parents would not want to see the PowerPoint.

They'd be like, yeah, we this is how it is, you know. So, I mean, it's good at least your parents didn't act the way the youth group did.

Yeah. I think it's interesting you said a little while back that you initially started writing songs with the idea that other people would do them, considering that clearly most of your music is very specific to your point of view and autobiographical. Um were your early songs actually written with certain artists in mind? Like, I'm going to send this to I don't know. To some whoever your favorite artist is or whatever. Did you actually write songs for other people with the hope that they would get recorded?

Yeah, some of them it was more just like instead of lyrically it was more melodically or or something that I thought would be interesting for them. But, um Yeah, I'm trying to think. I mean, nobody nobody ever ended up using any of them, so. Is that something you'd still like to do, though? Uh yeah.

Collab? Is there a dream collaborator or set dream of someone who might record your music? Oof. You've collaborated with some cool people already.

Yeah. Uh there's a lot of people I want to collab with. I'm kind of blanking on names right now, but

remember later, we'll put it out there in the universe cuz you never know. I mean, you you've already played Prince's guitar. Honestly, this is the collab this is the collab that all the collab I needed and wanted. This is it. I'm done.

I'm actually quitting music for No! You're not allowed to quit music. You're just getting started. What um what else do you want to do? I mean, obviously like, you know, you're you've been in the business for a while, but this is your first album. And by the way, I do want to answer that question, but I do want to ask about the whole video game thing. You want to have your own video game, right? You had You did that already, right?

Yeah, we just made like an online game for the for the album cuz it's called Arcade. That's cool. Yeah.

favorite video game? My favorite video My favorite video game right now is Fortnite. Okay. I am brain rot Fortnite player. Well, that they have a whole universe like Gorillaz was like the house band. You should That would be cool. You were Yeah.

That would be the thing.

That was I would always make a joke. It's not a joke, though. I'm so serious about this. Once I get a Fortnite skin is when I know I've made it, and that's all literally that's when I'll stop. I'll be like, "All right."

Then you can quit. [laughter] You can't quit before that.

Yeah, exactly. I'm like We'll put that out there into the universe. Is there anything else that you either have planned or that you would like to do now as you embark on the arcade in your arcade era? Um yeah, I mean, musically that I'm still working on I'm constantly making [ __ ] I have a deluxe that I'm working on, which does have the collabs that I I have been wanting to work with on there.

Um Which which which ones or can you I don't know if I can you say. I don't know yet cuz it's so early. Yeah, they're

I'm getting a lot of head shaking over on that side.

saying no. Yeah. It's okay. That's something to be excited about, though, along with the whole Fortnite situation. [clears throat] And when will that be out? The deluxe? Mhm. Yeah.

[clears throat]

They say they're also saying no. They're saying [laughter] no. That's okay. We got Like I said, you're a woman of mystery, so we got to have a little bit of mystery, a little bit of mystery.

We'll keep the mystery going, but in the meantime, like I learned a lot about you and a lot about God and science and Greek mythology.

A lot of things. It was a really interesting chat. Thank you so much for coming here. The fans were so excited to have you here, and it was just a historic situation.

Dude, thank you so much for having me. I mean, this is a It's a dream to play at Licorice Pizza. Um I got to play Prince's guitar. This is Yeah. This guitar today, Fortnite tomorrow. Fortnite tomorrow. You heard it here first.

If there's a skin, go buy it. You see one of my skins. Thank you so much. It was lovely chatting with you.

Yay.